#also not a hate for Obito
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It's because the actual core of his "revolution" is to avenge Itachi's pain. Nothing more and nothing less.
Obito massacred the Uchiha, even in novel he was the one who killed the children and women (feel free to treat it as filler).
Obito harvested his clansmen's Sharingan and used it for his own Izanagi benefit while he can't even bring himself to take his own Sharingan back from Kakashi, he even felt bad for it being returned to him and gave Kakashi Susanoo trial.
Obito is the reason why Uchiha was segregated (Uchiha was treated decently before Kyuubi Attack and their people were suspected of freeing the Kyuubi) and the bastard even lied to Sasuke by saying that Kyuubi breakout was natural incident to portray Uchiha as ultimate victim, while he deliberately unleashed Kyuubi to avenge Rin.
Yet Sasuke didn't harbor any hatred for Obito because :
(1) Sasuke ultimately only cared for Itachi's pain at that time and Obito is not the one who pushed Itachi to his painful fate. Even in a way I think he saw Obito as Itachi's helper
(2) Obito essentially controlled Sasuke's narrative (brainwashing him to be honest) and made his rightful anger toward Itachi's fate bigger and more harmful for his own destructive benefit
I think fandom truly overestimate Sasuke's "Uchiha Revolution" while clearly all the boy did was being angry for Itachi's pain. That's why his hatred for Konoha vanished after understanding Itachi's feeling. People can have opinion about whether it's justified or not but Sasuke didn't care for that. He only cared for Itachi's feeling. That's why he asked the Founders, because even after hearing Itachi's side of the story, he still didn't understand Itachi's feeling. Then he understood Itachi's feeling and next move tried to emulate him (being all murderous and burden all hatred alone) but Naruto didn't allow him to.
It makes me laugh so much when people say that Sasuke being revolutionist on VoTE 2 and Naruto "beaten him into submission". All Naruto did was to prevent Sasuke from doing the thing Itachi did that greatly hurt Sasuke AND Itachi. The same action that people accuse Itachi for being "bootlicker"
Didn't Obito help in the Uchiha massacre too? Sasuke wanted to kill Obito before he knew who he was like he said when he was fighting Itachi. But when the time came Sasuke just said leave me alone. He probably just wanted to be done with it all. But Sasuke wanting vengeance on Konoha while Obito was right there was something weird. Naruto and Sasuke's behavior is strange towards Obito.
i agree that’s weird… kishimoto just couldn’t rationalise some characters’ (itachi and obito) actions tbh
#uchiha sasuke#uchiha obito#especially when saying that Sasuke planned to abolish child soldier#freeing Hyuuga slavery#haha mate he didn't care for them#Sasuke was just desperate to stop cycle of hatred that cost Itachi's life#and tried to be a scapegoat like Itachi#Naruto stopped him because Naruto cared for him#this is not a hate for Sasuke btw#he's a kid plus all his anger and action are truly understandable and justified#also not a hate for Obito#that man is delightful villain and his crimes are also understandable and interesting in the bigger picture#Just saying that portraying either of them on “Uchiha solidarity” is deeply wrong#Sasuke gave a shit for Uchiha but not more than for his beloved brother#Obito give minus thousand shit for Uchiha#perhaps someday I will make a post about how Itachi's action is “culturally right”#emphasis on “culturally” a.k.a Japan's culture#people can say whatever but Kishimoto knows what he writes on this topic
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older designs for my specialest guy
#you actually could pay me to watch boruto the payment is reviving any of madara-obito-itachi in a cheap fan service moment. itd work on me 👍#neji hyuga#hyuga neji#art#fanart#naruto#2024#i think konoha would love to project the will of fire shit onto neji after what he did. ya know. trying to give your life 'for the village'#in that way hed probs have a lot of respect from others but respect has never been enough when your life still isnt yours 😛#the pessimism would likely take a bit to return to him but it Would return hes just like. less interpersonally volatile#the realization you had two whole very public meltdowns and no one that matters cared will do that to you#anywayfor the happy ending one. i think while neji is always going to be a little bit bitchy hes bound to soften up a lot when he's not#under constant stress and has to micromanage his every thought#i like to think that if he were allowed to hed grow into a very outwardly warm person. sunflower :)#and my general opinions of neji and boruto are:#1. yes it is a blessing to not be made to be straight married#2. however consider: what if i wanted to see neji be a dad. i dont care for romantic njten but i do not hate it. it would be acceptable#when i think abt this guy in boruto hes chronically single but still.talking about what CANON could be. it would be acceptable#3. yes hiashi shouldve gotten his ass killed in the war but i would be lying if i said the awful family reunions#are not fun as a concept#are they fun on purpose? no#but the rule is: A situation can suck if it sucks on purpose#and 4. i know about the time travel episode i have mixed feelings on it.#anyway no hate if you like boruto i like being hyperbolic for fun but its just anime. the kids seem cute#but if any other hyuga-brained person ever wants to get unimaginably angry you should also watch the hiashi birthday episode of boruto#thats my special recommendation from me to you
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[ These Scars - The proof of your Love ]
#obikaka#kakaobi#obkk#obito#kakashi#hatake kakashi#uchiha obito#obito uchiha#kakashi hatake#hokage#hokage kakashi#obito survives#naruto#naruto shippuden#naruto art#my art#fan art#post war obito#btw the caption goes both ways#the scars on both of their faces. are due to the love they had for the other#hence the sacrifice to save the other#for Post-war Obito#in a world that perhaps most people absolutely hate him (rightfully so) i feel like Kakashi especially the scar on his face are the#last forms of love left for him#and as guilty as he feels for indulging in it . it is also a major source of comfort for him#it's all he has left
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#In case you're wondering what's in the CASE WAHAHAH it's a bass guitar#Totally wasn't self projecting when I hc that in#Modern!AU#Obito plays bass#Bassist!Obito#And also a tattoo artist#Kakashi obviously plays drums#Drummer!Kakashi#There's no band#I hate that little book in Kakashi's hand#the misfits shirt#kakashi x obito#kakaobi#kakashi hatake#obito uchiha#obito fanart#obito x kakashi#obkk#naruto fanart#naruto shippuden#naruto au#naruto
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this is my sopping wet cat obito he has done nothing wrong (loud incorrect buzzer noise)
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besides itachi what other naruto characters do you like?
do you dislike any ones?
Mmm. I like many characters, I'd say, but to varying degrees, and not always do they bring me as much joy in canon as they do in fanon.
I've been into Naruto since I was 12, and my interest in the series has gone up and down over time. Back then, I don't think I gave much of a shit about Itachi at all and instead, my favorite character was Obito. Oh, how the turns have tabled. I also liked Gaara a lot early on, but that period was fairly brief.
Currently, my biggest favorites are Itachi and Sasuke. I'd vote in Shisui as well, but unfortunately, I think many of my opinions are shaped primarily by fanfiction 😭 Which brings me to my next point...
It's a joke at this point, but sometimes the fanfiction - not even by altering a character's characterization but by diving deeper into their existing psychology and expanding upon its human aspects - does a better job at portraying a character, leading the fandom to develop a new commonly accepted lore which is referred to as "fanon". This is how I often end up enjoying characters like Madara, Izuna, and Tobirama as well even though their canon characterization might not speak to me personally (because nothing goes over a tsundere adopting children /hj). Fugaku is on the list as well-ish. He is the one that I got attached to IN SPITE of fanfiction telling me otherwise. My entire issue is that I am no longer certain whether the personality I have in my head for Fugaku is actually canon or just... made-up (he barely has any screen time, why is my interpretation of him so complex?).
There are also a lot of characters that I like a moderate amount. That list includes Kakashi, Tsunade, and Choji. And if we include Boruto characters, I do enjoy Sarada and Mitsuki as well. It simply just isn't enough for me to become very attached to or even just seek out fanfic that portrays them as more complex or more compelling characters. A good fanfic could probably change my perception of them but that's just where I am currently at.
As far as characters I hate go... I do dislike Jiraiya. His "quirks" don't translate well for me personally. That's a me-problem, though, and I understand and support anybody who likes him regardless. I also have beef with Hiruzen, though I have to admit it is mostly a show-vs-tell conflict in which the show pretends he isn't that bad when actually he is and I am not sure whether to prioritize the show or tell version.
Then there are characters I hate and that list includes Danzo and the two elders. Go to super-hell 😊
Regardless of any of this, I do not support harassing anybody over liking or disliking a character (though I don't mind venting). Like and dislike do not necessarily need a justification. They just are and why should we waste our energy on fictional characters of all things? Fandom activism? Too often are favorite ships and characters used to establish group dynamics of fans shitting on other fans.
It's a different story if said people are harassing other fans, publically insulting them, or making shit up. Still not worthy of harassment but definitely deserving of a call-out as, if not regulated, hatred just breeds more hatred and eventual transgressions. I am sure all of us had someone popping up on our blog before only to tell us how stupid we are (not even discussing but just immediately insulting us) for liking something.
#fandom group-dynamics are of course more complex than just haters vs fans#like when to expose a hater's hypocrisy you end up hating on their personal favorite#it doesn't fuck up the conversation rarely though because you slowly start to associate defense of your favorite with hate for others#and then the cycle continues#back to fav characters. obito was such a wonderfully problematic character#in case nobody knew yet i pick my favorites according to who is the most fun to bully#also posting this one ahead of the other asks but this time because there is not research involved#naruto#naruto miscellaneous#naruto ask#ask#anon#anon ask
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What if Obito was the child of the prophecy and not Naruto? Like Jiraiya was supposed to train him but he thought Minato was so after the training was done/Minato grew up, Jiraiya didn't focus on anyone else. Then Obito "died" and Madara saved him, taught him jutsu, his beliefs, etc etc bc J failed his duty so somebody had to step in & to go with the whole "could bring peace or destruction" part. Obito came to the full realization that how the world currently was wasn't right and seeing no other way that change could come without destroying the current world and making a new one where every previously deceased person was alive again. He then began a mission to achieve this all while the world around him continued to go crazier and each death was another he'd restore in the end. Finally, he caused the entire world to band together to bring him down and even though he left his destroy everything mission in the end, his actions caused the world to change somewhat for the better (the countries are friends, but children are still soldiers trained to kill but hey we have a mental health department to help 🤦, and the Uchiha memorial was moved wayyy out to the forest where its not even seen or taught about in school). I acknowledge Obito's involvement in the Uchiha massacre it was wrong obviously but he was planning on bringing everyone back in the new world. Plus if he didn't do it, the Konoha government would have right after via Itachi and whoever else. Obito at least planned to bring them back ya know?? Anyway... I would've LOVED Naruto ending if he was able to go through with the plan by bringing everyone back, Naruto + Co realizing that their way wasn't 100% good, and actually changing things. Oh plus, Obito was a BEAST. He was a very strong and talented ninja in his own right! It took thousands of Shinobi including sanin and kage to bring him (and Madara) down. They're thankful Kakashi had his other sharingan tbh or else it would've been game over lol... Like I'd love to see a Naruto au where Obito, Sasuke, and team Taka lead the new world change post war. Is there anything out there like this???
#obito uchiha#sasuke uchiha#anti shinobi system#im not anti naruto btw i enjoy the show/manga as is i just like the alternatives as well#obitos character was interesting to me how he was before his duality of fake identies his amazing power everything#i also hate how sasuke left in canon and just now does work for konoha like the og truth about never happened
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making kakaobirin kids because polyamory is always the answer and the world needs more hakates.
#I think it’s fun#anyway in my head we have kakashi and his clan of one and it’s like okay. we can do something about that#so it’s kakashi and rin hatake and then we have obito (disowned) and these are his best friends so he gets to be a hakate too#and then they have kids ? whatever#I hate the way most of the boruto kids look they usually look way too much like One parent so. we mixies#also considering getting a kid for tenz and while he’s not technically a hakate he Is clanless so. hey it’s free real estate#yaaay and we’re getting numbers up ^_^
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So... I never was a Naruto fan or anything else, but MEU DEUS, your art are amazing and besides so many things that could be better written, you make me believe on the powers of fan, and I kinda curious, do you like 100% of the series? Like you have anything you hate? (besides Obito)
LOL no! Nowhere near 100%! I love it and the characters and it's a comfort series I've been into since my early teens~
But it has SO MUCH I don't like :( most of it it's just me being able to look at it as a complete work and notice all the "plot holes" - and I can even let those slide, because it's a long work so mistakes are understandable and all - But there's two main plot related things that I just hate :(
-> Everything after the Pein arc. I'm one of those fans who wishes the series' end started there. Everything was perfect and in the right direction for a conclusion, but then they had to add a whole war in there, with edo tenseis for characters whose arcs were already supposed to be closed (Asuma, Dan, the hokages, akatsukis, Haku and Zabuza) or new characters who honestly? Why even? (Those brothers Kurama ate, wtf was up with them?)
-> But then the worst is the way Naruto's character ended :( post Pein Naruto is not the same Og Naruto to me.
#even obito is okay compared to that#bc hes a character i hate for his role in the story#hE IS PART Of it#and i see that#my problem w him is THE STORY#ask ffrogs#not sure that makes sense lol#also thanks so much!#im happy you like theblittle chaotic ideas i share haha
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Oh i also love how you seem to be a Naruto and untamed fan ( do you share thoughts on those too)
I am a fan of many things! including very much those two things! I'm always happy to share my thoughts, even though I never really have on this account! naruto I was first a fan of like... when I was... uh, maybe six or seven years old? one of those things you just glomp onto, like do you EVER get over the fictional media you create original characters for as an eight year old to play out convoluted storylines with your friends?? obviously not. I had one of those headbands with the crossed out symbol outlaw-style and, like, a bag that's the gaara sand gourd, so proper edge lord eight year old stuff. (I do feel like gaara got insane prop in my friend group, he was definitely the most popular character. like my best friend was playing a very obvious gaara-expy. I was also big on temari as I too was the token girl). anyway say what you will about how 'good' that series is, the character design does go CRAZY like it's just banger after banger concept. even shippuden, where I'm deeply meh about most of the actual story, introduces much of the akatsuki and they're all just. such banger characters. luv them. great for fic too, like there's so much to explore in that world that canon did.... maybe not do so.....
the untamed I've also now been into for a while!! 2020 I think I got into it? watched the show, read the book, watched most of the animated show, have also read the other books by the author... the specific characters I'm into are. uh. divisive in certain corners of fandom, and I have seen plenty from the trenches of the discourse. but the actual source material slaps! I'll defo revisit it when I have the time... also my gateway into gay chinese webnovels which was like, a great choice, a lot of stuff I kinda wish I was getting from canonically gay characters in western media. actual development of the relationship! it might be a romance but it's not all romance! moral ambiguity! high stakes! I'm still working my way through jwqs, which is very very very long but is like... lesbian political drama... the main character pretending to be a man and getting herself married to the daughter of the emperor, as she gradually goes about destroying that family from the inside... but she realises she cares about the princess but she's lost herself in this revenge quest so she's like 'I will destroy your entire family but until then I will dedicate myself to your happiness until I do'... LIKE it's such a good time!! I want fifty million stories with similar vibes! ugh
#also much of the first chunk of naruto has been dubbed into a language i'm learning and i revisit it a bunch#i LOVE watching dubbed detective conan episodes#the thing about naruto is. i get why people hate it i'm right there with all the critiques. but the character concepts!!#i've had separate phases of just reading the whole kakashi/obito tag the whole ino/sakura tag the whole hashimara/madara tag#also the thing is the writing of women objectively sucks. but AT LEAST women exist and the concepts are interesting enough -#- fic CAN do stuff with them if they so choose. like as a sandbox there's really not THAT many with so many fun women#//#batsplat responds#yoro
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do you block a lot of people or is my app jsut messed up :( I really liked your art :((
I do block a lot of people because of bots, but recently I’ve just been getting a lot of stuff I dislike - Kk*bi, Kk*ru, Ob*Rin - and the tag filter isn’t really working right for some reason? So I’ve opted to block
If you can send me your @ I can check to see if you’re blocked or not and if I did I’m sorry, it’s not personal it’s just because the filter isn’t working for me!
#sins asks#all I’ve been getting is Obito ships and I hate Obito ships so I’ve blocked so many accounts#it’s really annoying when the filter isn’t working this happens for me sometimes I don’t know why#I also just hate Tumblrs algorithm I’ve never taken interest in any Obito ships or Kakashi ships outside of Kkg idk why it’s showing up
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oh my mind is so huge and has so many folds
#au where haku survives bc he was distracted by sasuke/naru fight a bit longer & joins akatsuki#thinking abt how haku & deidara are abt the same age & how haku has similar pacifism/ideas to itachi but would h8 him for killing his famil#like haku's dad tried to kill him....exploring how THAT dynamic in akatsuki would work out esp since haku wouldnt tell him to his face#and then i'd get to draw the prettiest boys ... not the important part. but still.#haku too nice to say i hate you but ;; quiet disdain. admires deidara's Open Loathing. itachi appreciates some1 of similar mindset#even though he cant be open abt his pacifism & doesn't pick up on how much haku dislikes him kdnfgkjn#also thinking abt how itachi & haku share wind/water releases#but itachi also has fire & haku has ice. there's something THERE i wanna write it#also ... itachi's first partner's sword fell into zabuzas hands & now zabuza's ''weapon ''goes back to akatsuki#theres a cycle there to explore too#oh i am COOKING#OOH haku as Tobi's partner & the combo of his kind nature + the fact that it was mizukage's orders via obito that nearly got him killed as a#child. remorseless obito brought tobi out early to shittalk kakashi w someone but ends up feeling...guilt? perhaps?#ooooh there's something there
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Watching the Obito Reveal in naruto and while I still want to punch this guy in the face, I'm rly enjoying seeing how emotional Kakashi is getting AND how supportive Guy is being to him. Like Fuck You, obito, guy is here and he's better than you in every fucking way. Up to and including giving kakashi the support he deserves ❤️
#speculation nation#fanny watches naruto#and madara just showed up which puts guy and madara in the same area WHICH MEANSSSS#it's guy vs madara soon >:] at some point lol. we have a lot of backstory episodes to get thru first it seems.#actually how cool is it that this fight is madara and obito vs kakashi guy And the two most powerful jinchuuriki#everyone on this field right now is so OP. it's very fun heheh#also kinda funny how five of these people are from konoha. then theres just bee here from the cloud#like shoutout to him for working with them so hard when this is ENTIRELY konoha bullshit wrecking the place#two uchiha here bc of personal vendettas etc etc and WHERES THE THIRD??????#who knows lol sasuke's off on a personal quest for the truth rn. gotta educate himself before he decides on a side to support.#it's so funny. like i mean he already did smth so helpful for the world by helping itachi take down kabuto#but then hes like. well idfk what to do now bc he hates konoha Even More but itachi declared his continued loyalty to it#so hes like. well lets talk to the All Knowing One (???) to ask questions. like ok i mean fair point.#wish we didnt have to bring orochimaru back for this tho. i quite liked him being dead for 200 episodes.#sasuke is in the midst of a metamorphosis... only by learning the Truth will he emerge as his true self... etc etc lol#anyways itd be fun to see sasuke fighting against his fellow uchiha. like come ON stop fucking up the world guys!!!!#but yeah im getting to a lot of big shit. ep 344 out of 500. still got a while to go. but im definitely in the Late Stage!!!!!#not looking forward to the neji thing. thats coming up in the next few dozen episodes. ugh.
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behold my totally sensical dynamic diagram. from aus that everyone knows about. yeah
#makes sense mhm mhm#i just think. that if they were to meet. they would be strange about it#rin would HATE obito for daring to base all his ambitions around 'her' death (even if hes really only paying lip service to it)#but also you know she would get SO mad at anyone who dared to imply she was anything like either of the other rins#also she just. legit does not even remember kakashi's name. who dat guy. why does he have narrative significance#vs obito who would mostly just be elated to see his friends in a position where they are cool and can totally be friends again!!!#yayy#vs kakashi who is SO weird as akatsuki version. mind breaking#not because i think he is incapable of harm (he is very very very capable) but because his defining trait to me is loyalty#and him joining the akatsuki would be breaking that loyalty. feels weeird#scale of madara manipulation for sure goes kks>obito>rin#becuz kks needed SO much convincing. and obito needed the seal and rin murder#but rin definitely heard the words “perfect world” and just decided to push off and finish that existential crisis#prolly freaked out madara a bit. rip that old man i guess he should have gotten a better vessel#who DIDNT do all of that in the name of *checks notes* throwing herself into the sun. man akatsuki!rin goes hard#we havent even gotten to the kagurin of it all. but i really do need to sit down and write a whole Thing up about that so#it can wait. lmao.
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I'd read tori's kakashi/sasori fic extremely hard
why will no one recognize her genius
#i don't think sasori would be seriously bothered#i think his ego and his perception of tori align in a way where he's like#'yeah people WOULD try to make bad art of me. especially this person because she is.................... like this'#i also think kakashi would read rpf of himself because it would be OOC enough he'd be able to emotionally distance himself#such that it would be Funny#......read rpf of himself on occasion just to see what's up in fandom i mean#i don't think he'd make a habit of it or particularly enjoy it#anyway my point is. the audience for sasori/kakashi three strangers and then sasori and kakashi#and no one likes :(#OH WAIT *and obito!!!!#who fucking hates it but reads it anyway because of his maladjusted kakashi obsession :)#fic: plasticity
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also on a sillier note, i have p much finished naruto shippuden (i have like 10 eps left) and ill do like a longer post about it when i watch them and the movie but for now i can say this - there's nothing heterosexual in Naruto
#also not sure what this says about me but my fave character is obito#i loved all the little twists and turns in his story#hated that they ultimately killed him again#he was killed like 4 times#leave him alone (with kakashi)
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